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Eve1 · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: Interesting to say the least.

The following from a director with SW BELL in Mexico City.
>>
>> I spent five years working in Mexico. I worked under a tourist visa
>> for three
>> months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you
>> were
>> working illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on
>> the FM3
>> approval.
>>
>> During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to
>> secure a
>> permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport
>> that I
>> had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the
>> same
>> except hers did not permit her to work. To apply for the FM3 I needed to
>> submit
>> the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:
>>
>> 1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
>> 2. Marriage certificate.
>> 3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
>> 4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of
>> graduation.
>> 5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at
>> least
>> one year.
>> 6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no
>> arrest
>> record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good
>> standing."
>> 7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated
>> why there
>> was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to
>> Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on earth" letter. It
>> was fun
>> to write.
>>
>> All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish
>> and be
>> certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It produced
>> a
>> folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish
>> on the
>> right. Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours
>> accompanied by a Mexican attorney touring Mexican government office
>> locations
>> and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each
>> location
>> (and we remember at least four locations) we were instructed on Mexican
>> tax,
>> labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their
>> laws or
>> face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's
>> actions or
>> we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in
>> fees and
>> bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring
>> in our
>> household goods that were held by US customs in Loredo Texas. This meant
>> we
>> rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our
>> goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.
>>
>> We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates
>> and under
>> contract and compliance with Mexican law. We were required to get a
>> Mexican
>> drivers license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for
>> the
>> licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with their
>> photography and
>> finger print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US
>> license,
>> were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license
>> instantly after
>> paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test
>> and never
>> received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was
>> never
>> give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to
>> hold
>> it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on
>> it you
>> would have to pay ransom to get it back.
>>
>> We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the
>> number of
>> our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for
>> us and
>> we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal size pages
>> annually.
>> The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying
>> more
>> fees. Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were
>> leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants,
>> tickets or
>> liens) before our household goods were released to customs.
>>
>> It was a real adventure and If any of our senators or congressmen went
>> through
>> it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico. The Mexican
>> Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens
>> intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White House or
>> government
>> offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The
>> US
>> embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most
>> protests the
>> Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to
>> shoulder
>> in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown
>> on US
>> or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they
>> do
>> their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law
>> changes in
>> California or Texas.
>>
>> Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being
>> hard on
>> illegal immigrants.
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RaiseUp · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:02 am Post subject:

Woah

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Gooberman · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject:

to much crap to have to go through if your wanting to work in mexico
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Maverick · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject:

Someday someone will sack up and take action here in America to fix the problem. Ever wonder why we have Spanish TV and Radio stations, newspapers, and all our food products are labled in spanish and english? Canada is also a boarder country but we dont have french TV and Radio stations all over the US now do we. But then again we dont have a bunch of Canadians coming down here without documents, taking under the table jobs, protesting American laws (keep in mind they are not even suppost to be here), killing, and comiting crimes and then running back across the boarder to avoid the law. Nope but we do have over 40 million undocumented workers here in the US send the money they make here back to Mexico, oh and lets not forget ID theaft, and welfare that US tax payers (yes you) pay out of your hard work to provide free medical care.

While America is a melting pot which makes it great, there comes a point when we need to stop alowing one culture to take advantage of what America offers. Okay sorry for my rant but enough is enough... Why should I have to learn spanish just to live my daily life, shit I would much rather learn italian. Okay I am really dont ranting now... Razz

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Maverick · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject:

yeah long rant but there is a time when we need to stop being so PC and our goverment needs to face the facts. The Mexican goverment has laws to protect its people rights and they enforce it, shouldn't we???
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Doctor Swiing · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:

Mav, you sir are my hero. I agree completely with what you are saying. A melting pot means a mix of all cultures, not a mix of all cultures on the bottom but one culture (some of which have no right to be here in the first place) rising up above the rest like oil in water and taking our jobs and money.

Zaitsev · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:

What? Canadians aren't crossing illegally? Dude, it's only because it never occurred to us. We had no idea. Thanks Mexico. I've told all my Canadian buddies and we're headed to Buffalo right now. We're going to work, not pay tax, rob liquor stores, then run back across the border and enjoy a nice cold bottle of Molson Canadian and watch the Leafs try to make the playoffs.

I just got to find my snowshoes before I head out.

dehrios · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

Zaz, i think you would be better off robbing a canadian bank then taking it to the US, your money is worth more now lol.

0bserver · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:03 am Post subject:

I don't follow politics to closely, but this reads interesting.

Just a little something snagged from elsewhere that was stolen from somewhere else. I can't say how accurate it is. (amended to add> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp <) Only that its got a few ideas in it that are worth considering.

Maverick · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:07 am Post subject:

Very interesting, and so true, sadly those in DC are some of the furthest from the problem and need to see the Mexican streets of every western American Town. There are towns now in the west where english is the second language, and areas where you are cursed if you cant speak spanish.

How much sooner will it be until companies are forced to accept peso as well as the dollar? When will we as Americans put a stop to this? The Terrorist are not in Iraq but here inside our boarders taking American jobs increasing the American unemployment rate and killing the enconomy slowly from within. So I ask you who is the real terrorist those jumping the boarders and taking our jobs and money, forcing goverment to spend tax dollars on spanish-eglish teachers, holding american children back thanks to no child left behind? or are we Americans our own terrorist watching this happen and not having the guts to stand for our own freedoms and our own job? Okay i am ranting again sorry...

*Edit* Sorry Eve if we opened a can of worms here...
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